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([personal profile] mamculuna Oct. 29th, 2004 08:57 am)
than we thought, and stupider, too:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/resonant8/71077.html?view=1064869#t1064869

Again, what's even worse than what happened to this writer is other writers being frightened to do research. In fact, I'm really wondering whether I should even post this, but I think the moral outrage will outweight the fear. I hope.

From: [identity profile] bhadrasvapna.livejournal.com


At the Town Hall I went to, John Kery said he could sum up the problems with the Patriot Act (I HATE that name) with 2 words, John Ashcroft. Problem is, even if we manage to get Bush out of office, Kerry will have a huge clean up of the executive branch ahead of him. Congress will be no help because with as much focus as there has been on the Presidential election, people are forgetting that Congress is important as well. I hate having to vote party lines, but I want the Republicans out of control there as much as I want to see them get their pink slips in the Executive branch.

Congress could rewrite the Patriot Act to avoid cases like this. That would mean that it wasn't carefully phrased in the first place to ALLOW things like this. I hate being this cynical, but don't tell me the people that create loopholes in Geneva didn't forsee this happening, didn't WANT this to happen.

What we have here are people so focused on their goal, so willing to do anything, that they use people's good intentions against them. Parts of the Patriot Act are important. Others not only allow, but invite, such incredible infridgments of our rights that I have to say that the Terrorists did win. This is not my country any more. They managed to break the Constitution. Fixing it not only won't be pretty, but it might not happen.
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From: [personal profile] ann1962


Patriot Act (I HATE that name)

But someone had the wonderful job of making up the acronym = Preserving Life and Liberty (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism


From: [identity profile] an-old-one.livejournal.com


This needs to be brought to the attention of the national press in the US. It should be widely circulated before the election.

I'm Canadian...they can't do anything to me. Can they?

:o(

From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com


I'm Canadian...they can't do anything to me. Can they?
Just remember that the RCMP and CSIS raided that Ottawa journalist's home; the woman who was writing about the Maher case (the Canadian man, born in Syria, who was arrested at JFK and sent to Syria where he was jailed and tortured for over a year). She had all her files relating to the story taken. There was a huge uproar about it. I don't think anyone is immune. Not that I'm paranoid or anything...

From: [identity profile] an-old-one.livejournal.com


Too late...

Okay, if I'm not around on lj for a while, somebody make sure I haven't been sent to Syria, and I'm not making light of that, at all.

dub

From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com


If we can't go to Canada, where can we go? But see Pony's Modest Proposal, which I endorse: http://www.livejournal.com/users/ponygirl2000/46030.html?nc=42

From: [identity profile] an-old-one.livejournal.com


Yep, I'm on board. I contributed "Operation Ookpik."

;o)

From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com


Oh, right. One of those inscrutable Canadian things...

Now I'll go back and see if it got explained.

From: [identity profile] an-old-one.livejournal.com

Oh shit!


Canadian records not safe from U.S. Patriot Act, says B.C. report

Dirk Meissner
Canadian Press


October 29, 2004

VICTORIA -- The USA Patriot Act has the power to eyeball private information about Canadians despite attempts by governments in Canada to thwart probes by American authorities, says a report released Friday by British Columbia's privacy commissioner.

The long arm of the Patriot Act allows U.S. authorities to access the personal information of Canadians if it ends up in the United States or if it is held by U.S. companies in Canada, David Loukidelis concludes in his report.

The B.C. government passed a law this month aimed at preventing U.S. authorities from examining information about British Columbians held by private U.S. companies. It included fines ranging from $2,000 for individuals to $500,000 for corporations.

Loukidelis's report appears to confirm concerns of B.C. civil liberties groups and labour unions who fear the government's planned outsourcing of personal medical records to private U.S. companies could be viewed by the FBI and other U.S. agencies.

The 151-page report also concluded U.S. courts have the power to require American companies to produce records held in Canada by subsidiaries "because they have the legal or practical ability to obtain the records."

The Patriot Act was enacted following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Section 215 of the act allows a special court to secretly issue an order requiring "the production of any tangible things" to the FBI.

It gives the U.S. government sweeping powers to review information banks of private and public businesses in an effort to hunt down terrorists

Loukidelis examined concerns U.S. authorities such as the FBI might have access to B.C. residents' health information if the provincial government contracts out the billing of medical premiums to a company with a U.S. parent.

The FBI and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft were asked last May to contribute to the B.C. study.

"We have concluded that if information is located outside British Columbia, it will be subject to the law that applies where it is found, regardless of an outsourcing contract," said Loukidelis's report.

"Therefore, if an outsourcing agreement calls for personal information to be sent to the United States, that that information would be subject to the USA Patriot Act while in the United States."

The B.C. legislation amended the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act to, among other things, restrict storage and access of information outside Canada and included fines for those who improperly disclose private information.

Loukidelis said the best Canadian governments can do is mitigate the possibility American authorities will examine Canadian information.


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Highlights of a report by B.C. privacy commissioner David Loukidelis on the implications of the USA Patriot Act on the private information of B.C. residents held by U.S. companies.

There is a reasonable possibility of unauthorized disclosure of British Columbians' personal information as a result of a U.S. order.
Many people feel they are losing control over what happens to their personal information and worry their privacy rights are being overtaken by security concerns.
There are concerns that there is too much blurring of the lines between information used for domestic law enforcement, information used by governments who provide services and information used by governments investigating terrorism threats.
Privacy in Canada is protected by law. There are no such safeguards in the United States.
Once personal information crosses borders, regulating its use is at its best difficult and at its worst impossible.
Governments across Canada must ensure they enact legislative, contractual and practical measures to prevent unauthorized disclosure.
Patriot Act provisions have been used in ordinary criminal investigations and have expedited surveillance in a myriad circumstances, not all of which are terrorism related.


From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com

Re: Oh shit!


Argghh. So where do we go, or who do we get to invade us, now? Denmark, here we come.


From: [identity profile] mamculuna.livejournal.com

Re: Oh shit!


Read it again, in even more horror. What happened to sovreign nations? I can't believe that. Can Nigerian companies search US records?

Holy shit, indeed.
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